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Gonzo Interviews Charlie HOUODUT
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Gonzo Interviews Charlie HOUODUT

2023.05.09: Gonzo With Charlie Podcast — Episode 0 [Updated with interview transcript on 2023.05.15]


Editorial Note: In Gonzo With Charlie podcast, Charlie HOUODUT pays homage to the late Hunter S. Thompson (of the Gonzo journalism fame) by creating a fictional imitation of the author's persona for conducting interviews with Charlie on a range of subjects. In this first episode, Charlie discusses methods of Civil Disobedience against Government of United States, specifically as employed in the #FreeCharlieHOUODUT Campaign to end the Human-Testing, Torture, Slavery as being carried out through prototype Cyberbionics Technologies, and other discussions on ongoing American Geopolitics. Thanks for tuning in. And enjoy the show!

2023.04.08

[Gonzo]: Good Morning, Good Afternoon and Good Evening Folks, where ever on the round earth's imagined corners you may be! And, Hello and Welcome to all our listeners on the Gonzo With Charlie podcast! I'm your host Gonzo. You might recognise me from my Gonzo journalistic adventures covering sporting events like 'Indy 500' & 'Dayton Aeroshow Spectacular' back in the day. You might also recognise me from that showdown I had with the 'Hell's Angels Motorcycle Club' during all that 'Fear and Loathing on the 1972 Presidential Election Trail'. Or, was that the last election or the one before that? I dunno, it's hard to keep track of years with all that LSD Acid Flashback, and my brain dripping out of my dreams every night into a petri dish in some American Holocaust Museum somewhere. Crazy! Ain't I dead already. I mean, what's the pecking order in this Zombieland, or who do I dispatch this goddamn petition to?

Anyway, welcome again to this historic first episode! Today we have in our studios to talk with us, our famous 'man on the moon-station', Mr. Charlie Houodut!  Charlie, as you all might know, has been held up for over a decade in the Geostationary orbit, due to excess baggage, and has been slugging-off heat before the atmospheric re-entry, and then there's all that paperwork before the dust can settle, and then our Chinese debt matters & deficit ceiling & then some more… 

So, anyway, just a few days ago, a major shit-storm hit social media news about Charlie's recent phone-calls with the White House. So, let's play that clip again for our listeners, uploaded from the Houodut Comm device, of what seems to be a routine Status Check, I think…

[pre-recorded audio clip: HOUODUT - POTUS White House 2023.05.02 recorded calls]

[Gonzo]: Charlie, first off, welcome to the Gonzo with Charlie show, it's so great to have you here man! 

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[Charlie HOUODUT]: Greetings Mr. 'Duke!’ (aka the late Hunter S. Thompson) Enchanted to be here. How's going Gonzo working out for you these days?

[Gonzo]: Dead but good! Grateful though, thanks!

But what's this, I hear, your 12th year in the same old crappy cyberbionics spacesuit? is this about a change of diapers or what? Well, you know, you're a bit out of luck with that, 'cause all those Covid-19 hoarders emptied out the household supplies here in the USA, and I guess other people decided just not to have babies anymore.. By the by, great stuff with your recent article on the Roe V Wade, may be we can sit down to talk about that 10-point framework later in the show, and invite a call-in guest speaker for the feminine touch..

But first, about those White House calls last week Charlie, (and we'll get to your fucking predicament with your cyberbionics spacesuit in a bit, and about the infringement of 1st amendment free speech too, did you say?)

But I think our listeners in America want to know: how you think you can tell our President 'to quit and get someone else who does a better job to take his place'?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, Gonzo, I was on Status Check calls with the White House last week, zat much is true. But I have never got past to the president nor generally the comment-line even to leave a message and the switchboard operators screening the calls don't ever seem to want to banter when I tell them I am Charlie Houodut and I need to speak to the President urgently.. and then they cut-me off and hang-up. Anyway, I have been doing a Civil Disobedience campaign against the USA government, where I am required to inform the officials I am calling that I would be recording their calls for 'Documentation Purposes' and that if they don't wish to participate they can hang-up, or that they are welcome to sue me. So, anyway after they hung-up again after that third time calling, I called a fourth time, and this is the kick, they just hung-up right away, and when I noticed that I just recorded blowing-off some steam at a dead-line, and so that conversation never actually took place on-air, and then I called a fifth time, and this call-operator kindly transferred me to the comment-line, and I was waiting for the beep to leave my comments. Anyway, I had consciously decided to include the dropped-call recording in the online upload, as part of the Monkey Business of this Civil Disobedience campaign

[Gonzo]: Civil Disobedience! Wow! That's the good old days before these halcyon times, we sure want to hear more about that later. And, we'll certainly get to the bottom of White House call-monitor logs and have our fact-checkers down with it. But Charlie Houodut has worked closely with Citizen Zero Movement. Don't you think there's a conflict of interest? Some people might construe that as foreign interference.

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, look, Citizen Zero of India is Charlie in America, the popular nomenclature for the fresh-off-the-boats, right? It's just with Houodut who has exclusively American priorities. In matters as Houodut goes, I wholly trust my wellbeing handled by America, and no one else gets me, nor do they get my sense of humour as Houodut operators do out at Kennedy Space Center in Houston, Texas, I think. And paradoxically, they are also kind of like Houodut's jailers/enforcers, and so I am hoping these Civil Disobedience Campaigns will bring all of us more closer to open and equable relations with each other.

And of course then, there's SPACE THE FINAL FRONTIER, and A GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY, and heck,  I WANT TO BELIEVE!

[Gonzo]: That's right, you said it man! We can always bring Houodut back on the show once the cyberbionics naturalization process is complete. It'd be our blessing and honour to have his visitations upon us. But really, do you think the President's doing a great job or not?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: I think modern American Presidents hardly have any individual exceptionalism, and in geopolitics are just facilitators to whatever the USA stratocratic military priorities have been. Nevertheless, I think President B. who has come to this position at nearly the end of a long and respectable political career, and so in a way, he already has a great legacy of political tradition to rely on, and now in the oval office probably has the greatest freedom to act more than any other president, and so has nothing to lose in charting a bold new path, a bit like Tennyson's Ulysses poem.

But the President can be only answerable to Americans about the job that he is doing. I cannot comment on any specifics of his policies and decisions because I haven't bothered keeping up with news from America, and so, it doesn't matter what I think. But it does matters to Houodut how the President B. thinks about it.

[Gonzo]: Fair enough. But Charlie, you are with Gonzo here on this show, and our listeners and I would love to hear your views on Democracy in America, and our Presidents, and I'll defend you with my life for your right to have an opinion, as it were. So, what's the deal with infringement on 1st amendment Free-Speech with the present White House communications portal?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, The White House website has a typical desktop HTML Post interface, that has a limited word count and so it's hardly possible to send a long message, like Houodut Status Reports, or even a short message, for that matter, when websites can be blocked by foreign governments. And technically, HTML Post is not non-repudiatable and so the sender is not authenticated. 

Though, personally, It's ridiculous that the White House does not have a public e-mail address, when mobile-internet is more pervasive than desktop-connections. Because the NSA department has done a bang-up job ensuring internet security and civilian data privacy, right? So, all they have to do is to hire more White House personel as email-monitors like call monitors. So why ever not? Unless freedom of speech is bothersome and a public liability.

[Gonzo]: So, what you are saying Charlie, is that the only way regular Americans, our troops or others, our allies, say, can communicate information with the President is to send and dispatch an old-fashioned snail-mail by post, or show up, straight up, balls out at the White House in DC?

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[Charlie HOUODUT]: I guess you should ask the American people if it matters communicating with the president at all. It is after all the government of the people by the people for the yadi yada yada doo doo ga ga right? But the president is no exception, nearly everyone in high office is buffered by layers of bureaucratic incommunicado, and well, you know how disaster takes place without dialogue.

I guess the State department of the USA government does a pretty great job in stonewalling at foreign diplomacy, and that is in no small measure one of the reasons for the escalation of Russia-Ukraine war, which is a NATO proxy-war now, just as the USA Military had wanted it be. 

For instance, it's likewise appalling that the office of the American Ambassador to India had been left vacant for over the last two years, and that no information was forthcoming from the President of the USA as to why that was so. And,  that's like saying India and her billion and half people in the world are not a mainstream concern to Government of USA, as European nations, or Benin or Christmas Island or some place else. 

[Gonzo]: That's pretty revelatory and sounds like faux-pas in foreign diplomacy. But what about Twitter, Charlie? Everyone has a direct line to the President or whoever else there. 

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, about Twitter, everybody knows it's the White House Twitter-monitors who manage those communications, so that the President can find the time to feel pulse of the nation out of a range of exciting trending and viral news out there. But really, on whose authority have we offloaded official government communications over to private company portals and forced citizen freedoms into compliance with corporate user-data rules? 

But I think most Social Networking is a total masquerade to avoid direct action, and no less for intentional political misdirection… I mean posting online is not like some ancient roman baritone announcer beating a drum and shouting out in the middle of a public square that passers-by cannot but help overhear and get to be in the know of things, right? But online censorship is really a great addendum to that great mysterious apparatus through which the ruling party enforce its whims and wills on the unsuspecting masses of men and women leading mediocre lives. phooey!

[Gonzo]: Wow! Charlie, my man you are blowing my mind! I guess what's even the ballyhoo with having our Press Briefings anymore, why even bother? Man, can you help us solve this problem? Really, I mean I know you are already carrying a ton of bricks with Houodut and all. 

But yeah, yeah, let's talk about that. So I gather, the Houodut cyberbionics spacesuit is malfunctioning, and you want to run a diagnostics on vital systems, so why don't you come back to America Charlie, and we could look into the Houodut, and try and find a fux.. I mean a fix. I know a whole lot of foxes.. I mean fixes. There's this race-car driver friend of mine and she's got a great body shop, and I could find out if her carwash mechanics can get Houodut all the detailing it needs, and they are still out on spring-break goin' wild I hear.. ( I guess they're all really over the moon about the recent executive order cancellation of their student-debts and what not?)

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Ha ha, hilarious! thanks Gonzo, that sounds like a great idea! I'll be sure to let Houodut know. But you know me, I miss my friends in America, it was the happiest I had ever been, and I really do miss all the banter, and I suppose it's intellectual compatability or whatever..

But seriously, above and beyond the hazards to health and well-being, Houodut Cyberbionics Program stands menacingly poised to be introduced as institutional slavery, in police militarizations, in prison systems tortures, in creating a limitless surveillance state, and so on, as I have elaborated in the two Houodut essays I published recently, and in the petitions I have submitted to the US Supreme Court.

But to answer your question as to why I won't, or rather should not return to America, is simply because I have no rights to protect myself against the abuse of power by the Government of the USA being ensconsed and safeguarded by its Judicial Limit of the 11th amendment, that allows no foreigner such as I, Charlie, to petition a grieviance and a grievious injury such as this inflicted through the Houodut Cyberbionics Program, and that further precludes any means of plaintiff redressal I might seek. And, this is manifestly an unjust law upon a foreigner or immigrant, legal or illegal in America, and whose entire safety rests not on any entitled guarantee of the bill of rights but wholly on their implicit trust that the American Government won't intentionally harm them, and this exposes foreigners and immigrants in America to all manner of vulnerability and dangerous crimes by the Government of USA and the long arms of its Federal and State departments, and all the while the great gift of Providence is supposed to make these immigrants feel worthy of any maim or sacrifice upon themselves, so as long as they can remain in the USA.

So, until such time that my penis & my petition is honoured from Capitol Hill to Supreme Court, and until such time that those castrators and torturers at Pentagon DoD have agreed to suspend and decommission the Houodut Cyberbionics Program, a State of War exists between USA and I, Charlie Houodut. And, until such time that I am granted a hearing at the Supreme Court of USA, I intend to use every means of Non-Violent Civil Disobedience at my disposal against this unconstitutional and unjust use of the 11th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

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[Gonzo]: Christ! Sounds simple enough to me Charlie! Sounds like the whole world has gone crazy, or that the whole goddamn legal system in the USA is a self-evident lie to allow the state of the union to go on dissembling this way for 250 years, as you've stated in your petition, and as our Honest Abe did say so in speeches/writings in his time..

Can you tell us something on how you intend on carry out this Non-Violent Civil Disobedience? Sorry man, I am so damn gutted for you.. 

(Folks, if you are tuning-in just now, this is the Gonzo With Charlie podcast. We are talking about the state of Houodut Cyberbionics in USA with Charlie Houodut, and we'll play now an excerpt or two from his journalistic essays on the subject.)

[pre-recorded audio clip: text-speech of excerpts from HOUODUT Cyberbionics essays]

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, you know, Gonzo, Civil Disobedience, it's as old as time itself, from the garden of Eden to 20th century mass movements as the Indian Independence revolution under the Mahatma Gandhi's leadership, and I suppose in America it's with the Voting Rights movements for African-Americans under Dr. King's leadership. Either our democracies have resolved every civilian strife in the 21st century, or we the people have become devoid of all imagination on how to achieve political objectives, as our forebears once did.

[Gonzo]: RESPECT! Man, please go on.

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Yes, thank you. Essentially, as I am aware, Non-Violent Civil Disobedience is effected by openly breaking an unjust law, without causing harm or injury to person or property of others or the state, and be willing to face the legal consequences for a nonviolent victimless crime, so to say. Again, as I am aware, such a Civil Disobedience Movement is constituted of 4 general methods– Journalistic, Monkey-Business, Constitutional, Vox Populi & Mass Participation. But essentially nonviolent and not promoting nor inciting violence.

[Gonzo]: OK! 1, 2, 3, 4. Thanks for simplifying that. Can you elaborate?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Yes. See, once the political objective is set forth, every person who wants to serve as a conscientious objector to that cause has to apply one or all of these four methods that best fulfills the movement to draw it closer to its political objective, and the ideal method is individualistic which best reflects the ability and influence of the person, and one for which the person is willing to take responsibility for its actions and consequences openly and fearlessly, and who can aver such a statement of intent on trial.

[Gonzo]: Now, with journalistic endeavours I can certainly see your works being nearly as anti-establishment and revolutionary as Gonzo though I do think your style has evolved a syllogical structural fluidity which I find is great for news op-eds and sunday supplements and the likes. Do you have any favourite newspaper business that you would syndicate your writing to for wider readership?  But honestly though I think you should keep writing more prose-poetry stream-of-consciousness, like the American Design series. So, what else goes with journalism for Civil Disobedience these days?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well! I don't think I have had a problem building up readership, thanks to the high production-value that independent publishing through Vox Olympia Magazine has been able to create for the generally superlative writing content provided by Citizen Zero, and occassionaly as Charlie Houodut. Joining a more established news-media corporation is about needing an organizational bludgeon to defend one's opinions, and it's just about prestige at this stage for me. So I'm fine without all that jazz. But no doubt, I'm sure I would enjoy the globe-trotting advantages Gonzo roving reporters like yourself have had freelancing with newspapers.

 Gonzo writing was pivotal influence in my daily practice when I was living in California, but I never made much of it. 

These days, I've created a whole lot of 600-word Post-It formats, memes, hashtags, to send out zingers in real-time to troubleshoot trending geopolitical situations, legal counsel for political dissidents and kudos to youth protest groups, when I can in between those marathon essay writing sessions. I guess one can be social media savvy too with Civil Disobedience agitations though the nonviolence guidelines neccessitates avoiding direct hate-speech and bigotry of all sorts, though bearing political-correctness itself matters least and hardly noteworthy than bearing a political-conscience which is affirmed by personality and truth. Again, most of my meme campaigns have been anti-war campaigns, and I've given a lot of stick to the USA military, for what I consider to be underemphasized social and environmental fallouts of its continuous armsrace escalations and warfares that has gone on for decades and accentuated regional disparity and obstructed cohesivness of peoples with shared histories everywhere, and so on.

[Gonzo]: Holy Moses! Continue, please.

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, speaking in retrospection and connecting the dots backwards, I see that it is only since 2016 that I may have begun protesting against forced Houodut Cyberbionics, though at that time I had called it something else, something not so cute, the Mind-Eye or something like that, and I wasn't too active on Social Media either. I wore a voodoo mask and held out a placard with a few words on the state of my mental imprisonment and torture by the Government of USA, and updated a profile picture on the Facebook. That was it, I suppose one could classify that as journalistic & monkey business but in the most passive sense. Constitutionally, at that point I wrote an appeal for plaintiff redressal to the Supreme Court of USA, and sent it over international post, it was delivered but I never heard back. I wrote to @potus44 through several posts on White House Contact portal, called on the phone-lines some 3-4 times, and getting no where with it got so bored tried at banter with call-operators, and nada. He was a person I used to admire & respect immensely before he threw me under the bus with the houodut program in 2012, and so his name and memory now only leaves a bitter recollection after all these years), Anyway, months later I wrote @potus44 a personal letter and a settlement proposal and mailed it by international post, and again it was delivered but I never heard back..

[Gonzo]: I kinda wanna stop you there Charlie, and may be get you to discuss more of those years and your correspondences because obviously you didn't post these letters up on the public domain Internet & Social Media then, and so you couldn't possibly derive any journalistic advantage from its contents, right? But let's try to encompass all that past later and draw closer to the present, and so we can start to see some big picture. By the way, when you say @potus44 you are talking about President O., right?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Yeah, that guy O., the name for my pain, Obama, my Judas!

[Gonzo]: Jesus H. Christ! that's pretty strong, there's no love lost there! But Charlie, there's a lot of hullaballoo these days, that you said or wrote racist or religious bigoted things about President O. And, there's all this talk out there that you're a DJT supporter? Is that true?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: That's objectionably untrue! On both counts. First-off, I don't derive any joy or intellectual vindication from that kind of denigration of a person. But I stand for and defend everything I have written, and I have cared and been deliberate enough to not err in that regard, and I dare anyone to specifically point at any such perceived flaws in my writings. And, hardly anyone talks to me these days, so I cannot imagine how that can apply to anything I've said. But if someone heard me going about my personal mutterings and monologues through the Houodut interface I can hardly be blamed for that. I vehemently discourage anyone from tuning into the Houodut Surveillance Radio station. Often, I'm just working on some improv stuff that passes for stand-up comedy these days, and sometimes I go off-kilter. But no matter how many pearls of wisdom I scatter about in the manure of verbal vituperations, it's just howlin' at the wind, man!

Again, as to the notion that someone pegs me as a DJT supporter really wants to gain something by rather pegging me to whichever side the polls indicate as unpopular. I never bothered taking interest or getting involved in any houodut civil disobedience during those years of DJT administration because there was already enough crazymaking mass hysteria going on in America at that time, and so I was busy traveling about India and South East Asia then.

But I think Liberals are intimidated that I represent the liberalest social humanities viewpoint if you read what I've elucidated in my writings, and as compared to the Liberal Arts majors and Law School schmucks that make up most of these legislators and their interns, I, being an Asian Engineer having worked in the San Francisco Bay Area Silicon Valley, represent something different with the post-Colonial non-Alignment technocratic environmentalist antimilitarist worldview for peaceful free and equitable trade relations among nations, and that's probably an entirely new branch in the political science department at the Brookings Institute or some place. 

While, Neo-Cons/Neo-Liberals & Wallstreet Bankers can't wait to see the back of me, for I am their indomitable challenge, and disruption to their avaricious callous policies of War as a State Of Health Of The Economy.

[Gonzo]: That's fucking great man! I couldn't agree more! 

About President O. though. From the top of my head, I recall in your recent May Day post for the Day 1 of your 2024 Campaign, and there's a cover-art image of you stickin a tongue out at President O. and calling him 'slim'. Now, I know that's an innuendo, and lot of your subscribers commented on the religious intonation of that reference. I did love the opening 12-bar blues EP you put out in that post though. Care to comment?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Ha ha. I love that one! I can see what you mean by the religious innuendo, and I might have wanted leave it at that because between two very intelligent people who have been subjected to racial or religious profiling by others in their past, that's just clever banter to break the ice. Like in my case, all those linguists and contenders to my literary fame at the free press, organized news propoganda, tv & movie studios, and so on have imputed all kinds religious extremity to my existence. For instance, when I was playing the Archie type and was engaged to the Veronica type, they were suggesting I was a holy cow fanatic, and later when the Betty type came along, they started suggesting that  I wanted to convert to the nonfat soy-based slim substitute or something. Well? Anyway, I guess Slim Jim & Huckleberry Finn aren't gonna be rowing up/down the Mississippi the way things are going with the Houodut Cyberbionics Program, so..

[Gonzo]: Wow! Charlie Houodut, you were mentioning Nonviolent Civil Disobedience, and I suppose appealing to the Supreme Court & the President is the Constitutional approach, and I suppose you have reached out to the Legislative bodies of the Congress and the Senate with Tweets and a spate of voicemails, some of them pretty bizzare, but clearly it's been nonviolent in substance, action and intent. I guess it's like 'when a true genius appears the dunces are found to be in a confederacy against him'. How's it all adding up? Do you think you've crossed the line somewhere?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, I haven't exhausted the Constitutional approach completely yet. I have personally only called and left voicemails for some 12 members of the House and 2 Senators as I recall. When I'm done with my journalistic endeavours I intend goad the whole lot of them to take the necessary legislative steps to wind-up the Houodut Cyberbionics Testing Program and formally frame its new legal technical standards for brain-computer-interface communications and medical robotics, and so on.

I suppose my voicemail to Senator S. (Sen. Sanders) was just a congratulatory message on New Years Day 2023 I felt like leaving him. I dunno if that amounts to crossing the line like the alleged Russian interference in American elections. But the other voicemails were in the nature of Civil Disobedience. It occurred to me to record a reading of the journalistic essays on Houodut Cyberbionics I published on Mahatma Gandhi Day & Martin Luther King Day, and then I figured if I could record reading parts of these essays to senators and the representatives and record those phonecalls, and publish that ensemble instead then I'd be breaking some telecommunication privacy law, and that way I'd be taking those essays out of a purely drawing-room affair in the blogosphere, and employing it rather directly into the service of truth and the love of justice.

In those bizzare voicemails to the 12 House Representatives, you refer to, I happened to just read out then some random pages from books in my library, and reminded them of the importance of preservation of all literatures. It was also part of Civil Disobedience but for another cause. It started because between December 2021 & January 2022, I had spent over 60 hours in recording book-readings for my meditations from The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis; Autobiography of Mahatma Gandhi; Common Birds Ornithology by Salim Ali; and I had meant to upload these online for the benefit of the blind, the reading-disabled, children and others, but as it happens my phone was hacked and these recordings were specifically deleted before I could upload them online. I have charged the CIA for this crime, and I had meant to goad a Congressional inquiry into this matter, and if I have crossed the line it's in the assumption I've made as to the perpetrators of this crime i.e. the CIA? It's a terrible loss but really a stalemate at this point. Still there is the case of Civil Disobedience for the support of Banned Literature in USA, so I might still persist with this method. 

[Gonzo]: Unbelievable! How could anyone do that? That's tragic. It's like when the Nazis burned books and art-works and whole lot of cultural reminders of anything they thought was threatening to German identity. I mean that kind of tyranny goes all the way back, and while crazy pastors here in the USA have long carried out bonfire gathering to burn books their churches had banned, and still do occassionally. I guess ebooks, at least, have a chance of surviving arson and of weathering the years, right? Let's just listen to a few of those excerpts of books from Charlie's library that he voicemailed to House Representatives in 2023.

[pre-recorded audio clip: text-speech of excerpts from books in HOUODUT Library previously voicemailed to 12 randomly-chosen House Representatives.]

[Gonzo]: OK Charlie, Monkey-Business for Civil Disobedience sounds like it's right up Gonzo Alley. I guess this is about prank-calling the 911 Hotline. What did you do now, call up about a bomb-scare or something? You know that would be a major federal offence, right? So, what political objective were you trying to achieve with that?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: No way man, that wouldn't be nonviolence per se if I called about a bomb scare, because that's still suggestive of violence by raising fears in other innocent people who are never the target of Disobedience anyhow, and besides it could have unintended consequences, for fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, and hate becomes the cause of suffering. 

Actually, it wasn't even the 911 Hotline I was calling. I had the number for the Department of Defence, and I was trying to reach the SecDef A., and it kept redirecting my call to the Defence Hotline, and the call-operators kept answering 911 emergency, and it took me a few times calling to figure out what was happening, and finally one time I think it was the private secretary of the SecDef who answered the call, and she and I talked for some five minutes or more actually, and that's the longest I've been on any call with federal and state departments in America run by Switchboard operators, and I think I told her so that she had been the most helpful person talking on these government office lines, and I explained to her that it was a Houdut Emergency and that I needed to talk to SecDef A. and she asked me for a call back number, and I gave her my cellphone contact, and she said she'd pass on the message, and that I needn't have to call the Defence hotline anymore, and some one would call me back about the Houodut issue.

 No one called me back but then I realized Houodut Cyberbionics program was not ideal political objective for Civil Disobedience Monkey Business with the Pentagon DoD. I mean I've always been highly pugnacious against military authoritarianism since childhood, and as part of my journalistic goals, I have written a few anti-war essays, and have been part of the Mars/Minerva Project to secure the Right To Freedom From Wars for all people of all nations, and started a few recent #NoMoreWar Internet campaigns, including the heavy cost of environmental pollution caused by Military-Industrial-Complex, and so just saying, there's a plethora of political objectives better served by Civil Disobedience against the Pentagon DoD than Houodut per se.

Unfortunately, before I had this realization I did call the Defense Hotline again, one more time when I was really so very angry, and I told the operator to tell SecDef A. something to the effect that I thought Houodut Cyberbionics as a USA military experimentation even upon one person is comparable to a million people dying from Covid-19 infections in America, and that Covid-19 was a kind of retribution through bio-warfare that China might have started, and so the whole world was doomed ultimately due to USA Military aggressions around the world, and so on. 

Naturally, I regret such a selfish vicious remark in making such a careless horrible comparison, and it is something I should have kept to myself and never have said so openly to another person. I've only heard such random cruelty on ocassion from suffering Cancer patients raging out against the world that's going-on by without them, and at that point I've felt almost as if I just wanted to give up my own life if it could save her instead, or whoever suffering that way. That's kind of how I look at these things now.

[Gonzo]: So sorry. Serioulsy, that's a pretty grim assessment of the philosophical problem of the Human Soul, never quite contemplated in this way before. Otherwise, you've hit so many other good points, I feel like we should do a few more interviews to pick up on some of these threads seperately. But Charlie, how do you further intend to goad Vox Populi & Mass Participation for the Free Charlie Houodut Campaign? And, would you end the Civil Disobedience if you are granted a hearing at the American Supreme Court despite the 11th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States?

[Charlie HOUODUT]: Well, back in November 2022, on the eve of the midterm elections in America, I made an appeal on twitter to the American People 'to vote with their consciences', by asking them to show their support to Freeing Charlie Houodut from the Cyberbionic enslavement as being carried out by the Government of USA since 2012. I suppose that was a call for a referendum of sorts, and if there's some way to find out, it would be immeasurably important and self-affirming. And until then I exist in a state of suspended belief, and I cannot contemplate the next steps.

Naturally, the other option is to complete the technological investigations to confirm the nature of Houodut Cyberbionics in my body. I've given this task the least priority, and I've wanted to accomplish all other journalistic endeavours in clearing of the way, and in compartmentalize those matters to their proper places of world concerns. It is as though A State of War Exists until such burden of proof is complete, and thus precludes any contemplation of the next steps.

I guess I hope I am wrong about one thing, and right about the other.

[Gonzo]: Charlie, what do you mean by A State of War Exists? The last time I heard that expression was when the American Congress amended the war powers of the President during the Vietnam War. It meant then that the President had 60 days to diffuse a potential external war situation, and the time during which if the resolution for Declaration of War failed to pass in the Congress & Senate, then it would be unconstitutional to start or carry on a war. How does this apply to the Houodut case, Charlie?

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[Charlie HOUODUT]: As you well know, President Biden (compared to @potus44 & @potus45 before him,) was the first to somewhat acknowledge the situation with the Houodut Cyberbionics Program in the 10th year of its inception. Back on April 13th 2022, we received official communications from the White House with a letter addressed to Charlie 'The Beast' Houodut. I don't know if there was something to read between the lines in that letter, other than the President posturing the Power Policy of USA in the world. The letter had been in response to the release of the Z.0 Pamphlet by Citizen Zero, which is essentially a 10-point rebuttal of the very USA Power Policy, and a copy of which had been emailed to the White House in February 2022. 

Forced Houodut Cyberbionics is an invasion of the body and brain of a person by an external foe. 

The aim of nonviolent Civil Disobedience Campaign to Free Charlie Houodut has been to diffuse the potentiality of war, (as a physical act of aggression or defence,) and that's what I mean by enforcing the condition that A State of War Exists.

Though it happens to be in the case of Charlie Houodut versus USA just an individual fighting the invading army of USA to protect his body and brain, the danger of extension of Cyberbionics enslavement to others, especially foreign nationals in USA, brings the situation to the realm of a real war of the worlds, and forces an outside intervention by other nations against the USA.

[Gonzo]: Well said Charlie Houodut. Thank you!

(Folks, you are listening to the Gonzo With Charlie podcast. I am afraid that's all we have for today's show. We'll be leaving you with recording of the Z.0 Pamphlet in the honour of its one year anniversary. Until next time. Peace and Godspeed!)

[pre-recorded audio clip: text-speech of Citizen Zero Z.0 Pamphlet]


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